Já dizia sua avó: não há bem que sempre dure, nem mal que nunca se acabe. Introduced in The Sandman: Overture, she is the mother of The Endless. On top of that, his father granted him the Dunamis Demiurgos, the power of God. And considering Perpetua will probably be forgotten for the next storyline in the next few years I think Presence should remain the top dog with perhaps some "Source" overlap. Isn't there like some super duper uber Monitor now that is above the Presence at DC. Quando ela chegou aqui, tudo isso era mato. Sign Up Login. After searching all the universes in the multiverse for beings rich in potential, Perpetua (DC Comics) bound the humans and Martians of Earth-0 into Apex Predators, merging their worlds entirely. As per biblical text, this creation would be inherently good. The unofficial DC Comics Subreddit Some of the images of her she had this cheesy "evil" grin and her character design is just really blah. I’d imagine the Endless could challenge her in power, as could Mandrakk at his height and Cosmic Armor Superman due to their adaptability and Cosmic Armor Superman’s plot manipulation. It is one of the oldest and most notable early Christian texts. The presence simply left the multiverse to be on its own. At about the same time, Zauriel accidentally learned of the secret plans Asmodel (King-Angel of the Bull Host, the most war-loving and vicious of the hosts, and one of the generals of Heaven's armie… Other thing that you might be interested, Presence ain’t omnipotent. Somewhere between 'Bugger' and 'All', because chances are good that she is going to end up like Barbatos and mostly function as a hood ornament while the interesting characters mill around her feet. With the reappearance of the Spectre, will we get a confrontation between these two cosmic beings? These two contradict each other. She created the multiverse. > The 7 Endless > Perpetua (debatable; to soon to tell) > Her children: Monitor, Anti-Monitor and World Forger > The Imps from the 5th dimension > The Old and New Gods > Meta-humans > Dr Manhattan. 1 Description 2 Interlude 3 The Presence 4 The One-Above-All 5 Pre-Death Battle 6 DEATH BATTLE! While the Source and the Overvoid represent the blank canvas from which creation is modelled, the Presence can be described as the one responsible for fashioning said canvas to its will, and is thus the abstract embodiment of every Creator God dreamed and worshipped by mankind over the ages, that which is … 7 Results 8 Advantages and Disdavantages DC Comics VS. Marvel Comics! ..... or even The presence? Some sources say the "Source" is higher than Perpetua... but the "Source" has been messed around with a lot. When her purpose was achieved, she created an army of super predators to fight her brothers and sisters. Its weird now. Press J to jump to the feed. If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article. First off it showed up as Cathexis in JLA #52 (the '96 run). If she use all of them, can she match the archangels? Jarro, who is part of the contingent of superheroes being led by Wonder Woman to storm Castle Bat, is the DC Universe’s greatest telepath. DC Company > Presence TOAA = the Presence It's cool to have opinions, but then there are the facts. episode of Death Battle. To fix her mistake, the Presence resets and recreates everything into one universe. Like they have existed since the dawn of time but they are not creators of the multiverse. Its not my mother language. Monitor-Mind The Overvoid, also known as The Void, The Overmonitor and The Primal Monitor, is the ultimate source of all creation of the DC Comics Franchise. The Source stopped her, then left a part itself that became the Presence, who reset the Doom Multiverse, recreating it into 1 universe meant for Justice (hence Genesis having God repeatedly announce the goodness of a creation). Michael Demiurgos is the DC counterpart to the Archangel Michael of the Abrahamic religions. series. Please follow one of the disambiguation links below or search to find the page you were looking for if it is not listed. I would put Perpetua as top dog of DC, if they make her at least on par with the Living Tribunal, who I put and is above Luci and Michael. The Presence vs. Five billion years later, Perpetua made human/martian hybrids called Apex Predators to … The source and overmonitor are one and the same the presence is supposed to be an aspect of it. The son of Presence vs Perpetua Battle takes place on the space Peak Lucifer, not depowered Lose by Death No Morals It is also said that lucifer exist inside the God Sphere or … (Not you OP, but a lot of fans everywhere else). Somewhere near the top, but not the top top. D&D Beyond The Presence is the representation of the Judeo-Christian God in the DC Multiverse and the father of both Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos. That being said he should still be above Michael/Lucifer I think. I hope they go the Beyonders route. Perpetua. Superhero battle match: The Presence versus Perpetua. Presence is definitely still super powerful, but I think theres a few guys beyond him at this point. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Others 4 Discussions Perpetua was a Super Celestial, an agent of the Source, sent to birth a new Multiverse within the greater Omniverse. Com ela, bateu as botas a entidade mais antiga de toda a realidade DC. First of all im very sorry for my english ( it quite bad). I know very little about Perpetua, but unless I've missed something big, creating universes is way above Spectre's pay grade. There are several characters stronger than Spectre. The One-Above-All is a What If? Called "The Goddess of The Void", she is Non-Existence itself, the emptiness from which the entire Multiverse is born, and to which it always returns. They can even utilize the characters like Endless unless they ask Neil. The Presence has the ability to empower various angels, including the Spectre, Eclipso, and Michael Demiurgos. Presence is a related term of present. I believe that, after Justice League #22, there may be reasons to re-evaluate the Source's tiering in DC Comics. Will the Presence finally reveal itself in Death Metal? Image: Michael Golden/DC Comics. . Hes no longer "God" (Elaine is), he's just the uber powerful ruler of Heaven. Despite happening before Flashpoint, Manhattan wasn’t, and still isn’t powerful enough to affect the Monitor sphere, so as we see in The Unexpecteds, Superman Beyond is still canon. Perpetua is this supposed creator of the universe and thats in a higher plain of existence than the new gods, monitors and the Spectre. That just leaves no room for the well established presence. The Monitor and Anti-Monitor have very techno-god styles, which makes them seem very powerful. Can Perpetua defeat the Presence? Super Powers ... DC Comics: Universe: Prime Earth - Prime DC Comics Universe: Full name: Perpetua: Alter Egos: No alter egos found. The presence simply left the multiverse to be on its own. 117402, July 21, 1997 (275 SCRA 7727) FACTS: At around 6:30 in the evening of May 26, 1991, Zosimo Estaño was stabbed dead by one of five (5) men who arrived at his house located at Andromeda, municipality of Angono, Rizal. During their final battle to decide the fate of the DC Multiverse, Wonder Woman and the Darkest Knight end up at the moment of creation. However, the one named Perpetua desired to eliminate the judges by using the seven hidden forces to make a multiverse she could use as an everlasting weapon. She created the original version of the current DC Multiverse, as well as her three sons, Alpheus, Mar Novu, and Mobius, who later became known as the World Forger, Over-Monitor, and Anti-Monitor, respectively. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Then the Source will be notified and leaves a part of itself that becomes that Multiverse’s God who would then shape what was left, creating the Multiverse as we know it. According to Mar Novu Supercelestials like her create the foundation of what will become a Multiverse (systems of life) in the greater Omniverse before dying or disappearing. Good question. Perpetua was the first creator and mother of the Monitor, the Anti-Monitor and the World Forger. Since the cosmic Source Raptors were sent to take her away so she could be sealed away. The Multiverse, within DC Comics publications, is a "cosmic construct" collecting many of the fictional universes in which the published stories take place. He is the son of DC's version of the Abrahamic God, the Presence. Since the dawn of creation, Zauriel served The Presence as a guardian angel, protecting the souls of countless women, including Cleopatra, Mona Lisa, and Joan of Arc. 1 The Presence Where Marvel has The One Above All , and Image Comics has Mother, DC's omnipotent creator of all things is known as The Presence. The Spectre jobs as need be. But she is a super celestial who seems to work underneath the Judges of The Source. Tier:1-A Name:Mother Night Origin:DC Comics/Vertigo Gender:Inapplicable, though both appears as and is treated as female Age:Inapplicable. Finally (a few years ago, by mortal reckoning), he fell in love with his then-current assignment, a woman with a boyfriend from San Francisco. Posted: (2 days ago) Perpeuta is a major antagonistin DC Comics and serves as the unseen overarching antagonist of Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis and Dark Nights: Metal and the main antagonist of both theYear of the Villainsaga and Dark Nights: Death Metal and arguably the Overall Main Antagonist of the entire DC Universe. The cosmic stuff in DC lately has been a lot to absorb. Spectre. We know Perpetua created the multiverse (and antimatter universe and dark multiverse). The New Gods are all kindof simple and technological, Darkseid is especially simple (in is original incarnation) and that really works. Featuring weekly comic release discussions, creator AMAs, a friendly and helpful userbase, and much more! How this affects other aspects of the Presence has yet to be seen. I understand they want to make it a step beyond Myx, but I don't think that's enough. 07-19-2020, 12:36 AM #6 Beadle I honestly hope it is addressed because the DC Cosmic hierarchy just got a whole lot more confusing. Also, this is supported with Cain and Abel's presence. In Death Of The New Gods, it became a being and fought Darkseid. The worlds in this multiverse share a space and fate in common, and its structure has changed several times in the history of DC Comics. She hasn't spoken at all or actually done anything, they keep just showing her and talking about her. 85. Super Powers ... DC Comics: Universe: Prime Earth - Prime DC Comics Universe: Full name: Perpetua: Alter Egos: No alter egos found. Seems to be a stand in for an overdeity as the Source has now been expanded to encompassing all multiverses with DC just being on in the endless sea of the Void overseen by the Source. Continually making characters as the most powerful in creation becomes nonsensical if you build a new one that's supposed to be over the rest every few years. Note: Before the time Krona does his experiment as per COIE, there should be no multiverse, just one universe and the Monitor Brothers should be absent.Lastly it’s been implied before that the Presence is related to the Source, Perpetua’s boss. Tough question. I guess like a 'standard' multiversal being? ikr, they made it more complicated than ever, The reason being is that the first 4 and their power are directly related to the 'big G' God, who created literally everything, whereas Perpetua (man that's a silly name) only created the DC multiverse (or at least most of it), Edit: What's with fans these days? When her purpose was achieved, she created an army of super predators to fight her brothers and sisters. The Presence Perpetua created dc multiverse she is above presence. It is not always clear how the Abrahamic God fits in to this scheme - for exampl… As nouns the difference between presence and present is that presence is the fact or condition of being present, or of being within sight or call, or at hand while present is the current moment or period of time or present can be a gift, especially one given for birthdays, christmas, anniversaries, graduations, weddings, or any other special occasions. Aliases: Place of birth: First appearance: Justice League 2018 Annual #1: Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Different opinions are NOT tolerated, join the hivemind or suffer the consequences! It goes against what’s been established in the past both IRL and in Universe, and doesn’t account for the events of Final Crisis and Final Crisis: Superman Beyond. The Presence is not the DC company or the writers/artists, this was already proven by Galan with on panel proof. Billions of years ago, A race known as the Super Celestials were tasked by the Judges of the Source to create new life within the Omnisverse. Now free of her captivity after being imprisoned, Perpetua is on a quest to destroy and recreate the Multiverse as the ultimate, end-all-be-all DC enemy. Who will win in a fight between The Presence and Perpetua? PENALTIES; RECLUSION PERPETUA – People vs. Alvarado, G.R. The son of Presence vs Perpetua Battle takes place on the space Peak Lucifer, not depowered Lose by Death No Morals It is also said that lucifer exist inside the God Sphere or … The Overmonitor is still the top dog, with Elaine Belloc and the Presence beneath it, along with Lucifer and Michael. Krona would come in and accidentally make it a multiverse again, awakening the Monitor brothers and it all lead to this. TOAA is in every time line from beginning to end just like the Presence. The presence is not supreme being of DC so he is not on TOAA level. Perpetua is above the brothers who are above the pet at full power and the multiverse she created is confirmed as one of many in the greater DC Omniverse Tldr; she seemingly operates on a greater scale than Lucifer But how can she be above the brothers if … As an angel, he has enhanced strength, speed, stamina, agility, and the power to fly. Which Supreme Being of their respective verses will win? It includes elements from multiple religions, mythologies, and modern concepts such as the Endless. He doesn't really access his full power because The Presence doesn't require he do it at any given time, or simply doesn't care enough. Say anything somebody disagrees with and you get 'downvoted' or told how wrong you are. The Presence has a family on panel, like sons (Lucy and Michael) the Presence has aspects (like the Word, Source and others) Then like, why even ask the question to begin with? The demiurge is the one who crafts the universe for God. Supercelestials are supposed to make the foundation of a Multiverse before dying. For a more in-depth analysis, outerversal realities are those whose nature is conceptually different from time and space (of any size and complexity), that is, they are completely transcendental in relation to physics. The Presence vs Perpetua. The being known as the enigmatic and nameless Mother Of Existence (Man of Miracles or M.O.M. TOAA and the Presence are equals. Perpetua, in full Vibia Perpetua, (born c. 182—died March 7, 203, feast day March 7, Carthage [now a residential suburb of Tunis, Tunisia]), Christian martyr who wrote The Passion of Saints Perpetua and Felicity, a journal recounting her trial and imprisonment that was continued by a contemporary who described Perpetua’s death in the arena.. All of those What if stories are divergent time lines, and the time lines are infinite. I knew that she was the mother of the universe before, so she was as powerful as The source ? ... Aren't the Presence and Perpetua the same level of being I haven't read DC in like a decade but it's what I hear . Perpetua is infinitely below The Presence/The Primal Monitor as they are one and the same and is Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent. Short for the Detective Comics Universe. He later gave it to Metron, but it was taken from him by Batman. Like we'll get some impressive stuff she's done, but I don't think she's gonna be "destroy infinite universes" strong like OG Anti-Monitor was. 1 The Presence Where Marvel has The One Above All , and Image Comics has Mother, DC's omnipotent creator of all things is known as The Presence. Oooh nice. Like the Monitor bros are above Mxyzptlk now? Eternity vs Perpetua. Perpetua era mais velha que o próprio multiverso. Perpeuta is a major antagonistin DC Comics and serves as the unseen overarching antagonist of Crisis on Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis and Dark Nights: Metal and the main antagonist of both theYear of the Villainsaga and Dark Nights: Death Metal and arguably the Overall Main Antagonist of the entire DC Universe. Note, the Raptor says her multiverse, now an inherently evil one twisted for Doom, will be remade for Justice and the Brothers Three even state they’ll be reborn in the new multiverse (Oa for Novu and Qward for Mobius). And if you're going to dethrone the Presence, don't ignore him with beings who are just brought up as the ultimate power and everyone else is less than nothing to them, do something to illustrate why they've been placed above the Presence. The End of the World (Kingdom Hearts) is a composite world, composed of the many different worlds that have fallen to the Heartless. The Presence essentially is responsible for all of creation, discovered or no. I don't really know if these notes regarding The Presence's nature in Sandman strictly prevent it from being the same entity referred to in mainstream DC most of the time, but after having looked through the earlier points of this thread, I think I realize where the confusion was coming from between Hykuu, BMN, and myself. DCU. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Powers and abilities. The power to possess ultimate power, with certain limitations. They essentially devalued established & critical entities like Living Tribunal when he first came out. That sounds pretty much exactly like Perpetua and her relationship to the Multiverse and the Source/the Presence. These two contradict each other. The Marvel omniverse is as infinite as the DC omniverse. However, when Owlm… TLDR; Perpetua made a Doom Multiverse pre-existing the current one that was never supposed to exist. The Overmonitor is the real top dog, and all the members of the Gentry should beat out Spectre. Or like she'll likely be classified above 5D Imps, but I don't think she'll do anything to show she's beyond them. idk how Perpetua would fit in though, Snyder's new continuity with the 6th dimension makes scaling weird. This new presence exhibits a quantum of evil no villain in the DC Universe could ever radiate. The recent DC Rebirth event recast the hand as that of Doctor Manhattan, whose experiment with the DC Universe created the New 52 reboot. A place for fans of DC's comics, graphic novels, movies, and anything else related to one of the largest comic book publishers in the world and home of the World's Greatest Superheroes! She was imprisoned by a Raptor sent by her bosses: the Judges of the Source, who answer to the Source. Lesser version of Omnipotence. Both Dax Novu and Rod Ogama Mandrakk are stronger (Rox Ogama, a the weaker of the two beat the Spectre and the Radiant), as is Superman when he’s got the Cosmic Armor. Her design seems much to busy, like it's trying hard to be evil. She twisted the creation for Doom in an attempt to make it a weapon against the Judges. The reason being is that the first 4 and their power are directly related to the 'big G' God, who created literally everything, whereas Perpetua (man that's a silly name) only created the DC multiverse (or at least most of … Presence > His children: Michael and Lucifer (and perhaps The Spectre?) She's gotta be above Spectre. Perpetua is below The Source is it's subordinate of one of the Source's Judges effortlessly trapped Perpetua by creating The Source Wall. She was sent by the Source twenty billion years ago to create new systems of life within the greater omniverse. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Both are said to have created the DC universe, but both stories can’t be true. a heavenly being, subordinate to the Supreme Being, that is considered to be the controller of the material world and antagonistic to all that is purely spiritual. And I think the Otherkind are even making Heaven freak out, so maybe they're a threat as well. JayK Well-Known Member. In Gnostic beliefs, a demiurge is. The DC Universe is repeatedly shown to have been created via a variation of the Big Bang and human evolution from apes, yet paradoxically, it also has a Garden of Eden and a version of Lilith, Adam's first wife. And this 6th dimension stuff is tough for a few reasons. Sep. 29: Dark Nights: Death Metal Multiverse’s End: Perpetua, mother of all presence, has actually chosen all life and creation in the Multiverse, condensing all beings to one world: Earth-Prime. She was sent by the Source twenty billion years ago to create new systems of life within the greater omniverse. He literally only shows up in events to lose so Superman doesn't have to in order to establish the villain's cred. I have a hard time putting Perpetua above Presence because he has generally been thought of as the top dog. Now free of her captivity after being imprisoned, Perpetua is on a quest to destroy and recreate the Multiverse as the ultimate, end-all-be-all DC enemy. Team The Presence vs Team The One-Above-All. And that’s just limiting it to things that Morrison has written. Outerverse is a term coined within this wiki to refer to any reality that transcends all concepts of dimensions.. In-Depth Explanation. Krona then accidentally recreates the Multiverse which causes the Brothers to be reborn and the rest is history. I don't know if we've seen anything this powerful since silver age Superman! The Presence & Perpetua. Good list , and the problem is 7 forces . The source > Perpetua And Presence = Source presumably. Beyonder vs Perpetua. Perpetua was the first creator and mother of the Monitor, the Anti-Monitor and the World Forger. In this case, Perpetua defied this and tried to complete it herself with pieces of the Overvoid made into her children. Thanks for the tip, i will definitely read more about this. Her species' job was just to put the pieces so the Source can have the Presence can make it for real. Don't worry too much about it. I know it's not the question, but I really haven't liked Perpetua at all so far. He belongs to a race of 5th dimensional beings, meaning he isn't necessarily this creation power level guy, just a high level reality warper. Hard to say. The chair is created by Mobius, also known as the Anti-Monitor, to assist in his quest for knowledge. she is at least stronger than anti-monitor (and that is not including 7 extra forces), we will probably see her battle almost all DC universes. Both are said to have created the DC universe, but both stories can’t be true. 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